On this bonus episode, Cherlynn and Devindra talk about the most recent improvements in robotic vacuums, new AI PC {hardware} from AMD and Intel, and Dell's choice to nuke its PC manufacturers in favor of Apple-esque "Dell Professional" and "Dell Professional Max" branding. (Word: We recorded this episode earlier than NVIDIA introduced its new RTX 5000 GPUs, however we'll have extra to say on that quickly!)
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Hosts: Devindra Hardawar and Cherlynn Low
Music: Dale North
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Devindra: [00:00:00] What's up everybody, that is Devindra Hardwar, Senior Editor at Engadget.
Cherlynn: I'm Deputy Editor Cherlynn Low.
Devindra: We’re right here what is that this, the start of evening one in all CES formally?
Cherlynn: I assume, yeah. I
Devindra: guess we now have already suffered by way of principally day minus one. Minus
Cherlynn: one and immediately's zero.
Devindra: One factor I would like our listeners to know is that we now have already seen a variety of issues we form of know the place the CES is headed. And, I believe this can be a cursed present Cherlynn. How do you’re feeling about that? For all of us. For our
Cherlynn: group. Yeah, I believe I imply, Devindra, I'll allow you to communicate to your scenario, however we've had group members who’ve fallen deathly sick.
We now have additionally, like, individuals who have utterly needed to miss their flights, worldwide flights. It's been fairly Engadget group, however we now have a very, actually good group of individuals. Everybody's acquired nice attitudes and, like, our spirits are excessive. Okay. You wish to simply get the stuff going. So, yeah, no, and Devindra, you may have been struggling slightly [00:01:00] bit.
Devindra: So, yeah, replace right here is I principally threw my again out the the day earlier than I needed to fly. So, I form of was mentally simply making ready find out how to fly with out caring a lot and simply being very easy on my again. However, , I survived. And
Cherlynn: sitting in a airplane for so long as you probably did couldn't assist both, proper?
In all probability didn't assist.
Devindra: Fortunately I did a sensible factor and I purchased a Consolation Plus improve with my factors forward of time. And I used to be like, I used to be going to be chill on the flight and it turned out that was simply needed. Yeah, so CS is formally starting. We now have seen we've simply went by way of CS Unveiled yesterday.
Plenty of embargoes and information got here out immediately too. You understand, among the greatest information we've seen. Dell's rebrand away from its personal PC names. To Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. There's some new {hardware} from Intel and AMD. Yay! that they confirmed off and, , simply form of a typical CS stuff. What have been the bizarre stuff you noticed, Cherlynn, at at Unveiled?
Since you have been there amidst all of the bizarre devices.
Cherlynn: Yeah, and to be clear, given Devindra's [00:02:00] damage, we’re, we’re having Devindra keep in place the place he’s, , in a position to get well slightly bit. So, Devindra wasn't at Unveiled with me, so I'm going to inform you about all these humorous issues we noticed at Unveiled.
Someway probably the most intriguing factor to this point is the development of Placing issues in your mouth at CES Unveiled.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Cherlynn: So, we now have like, not less than two issues which might be saliva detecting units. Uh huh, huh. Or like, you place a drop of saliva otherwise you put your like, a stick in your mouth or one thing. We
Devindra: are usually not going to name this the Hawktwa CES, let's not do this.
Dan
Cherlynn: Cooper positively not developing with a narrative primarily based round that. However the thought is that utilizing your saliva. Corporations can inform how a lot cortisol or different varieties like progesterone sorts of issues, hormones are inside your Or in you, proper? And so it's a bit to assist with burnout a bit to assist with like stress and well being after which there may be It's the salt spoon that everybody was licking at CES on day one.
That
Devindra: doesn't look like a very good [00:03:00] thought at a, at a convention. It
Cherlynn: was so, yeah, everybody's felt prefer it was, initially it appeared slightly icky, however the sales space was so crowded I went over and it seems they really had like particular person disposable variations of this spoon, the salt spoon per its title. It's a gadget that can mimic or simulate the, the flavour of umami or salt made by an organization known as Kirin.
Devindra: Okay.
Cherlynn: Which I consider makes some form of condiment. That's the,
Devindra: they're a soy sauce firm. Precisely.
Cherlynn: And so, it's the concept like, folks wish to dwell more healthy, eat higher, and never have such a excessive sodium weight loss program. So, however they nonetheless crave this style. We adore it. We
Devindra: love umami. Precisely. Why don't
Cherlynn: we, why don't we use electrical in your tongue?
Devindra: That’s some dystopian, I hope the story about that is the way it's made. That could be very dystopian. That's very like, , Soylent Inexperienced or one thing the place we're not likely consuming meals, however we're feeling these kind of like electrical impulses of meals.
Cherlynn: Triggering your tongue to really feel prefer it's tasting one thing.
Simply to really feel alive. That's horrible. I do know. I, it's, it's, you requested me bizarre. And I used to be like, yeah, that [00:04:00] is fairly horrifying. However I'm very intrigued. I nearly, so I used to be form of ready in line, but it surely was so crowded all the time. And I had a lot different stuff to take a look at that, I didn't actually get round to it.
There have been different issues, I believe, that turned up that, as unveiled, that have been very fascinating. Our group noticed a stringless guitar. There have been, like, a couple of zillion robots that every one form of look very bizarre. After which, numerous mirrors that you could, like, stand in entrance of and scan your self. And, lastly, I believe, the Stern Pinball Machine of the 12 months is themed Dungeons Dragons.
Okay.
Devindra: Actually, simply actually hitting the nerd market completely. We did see Roborock's flagship new robotic vacuum and that factor appears cool as a result of they simply added an arm to it. Prefer it has an extendable arm that may choose up socks and small issues from the ground. And I’m actually eager about seeing the race between Roomba all these different firms.
I believe was one of many first to do like, okay, self cleansing. We're going to dump your vacuum into this larger container than the vacuum [00:05:00] can maintain going. Now everyone's doing that. Then Roomba and others folks began doing like combo mops. And now it's similar to, we're getting appendages. We're getting, I believe one can climb stairs.
I noticed information about that.
Cherlynn: So Carissa is on the robotic vacuum for us, I assume. And she or he acquired an opportunity to take a look at the, yeah, the Roborock I can't keep in mind the precise. title, the way it's pronounced, Safi or Safu Z70 and it we now have a video on the article on our web site in addition to on our Twitter. It's
Devindra: the Saros Z70, yeah.
Cherlynn: So shut, that was so shut. And yeah, that video exhibits the robotic's arm form of popping out of its spherical disc like physique after which selecting up a sock that was in entrance of it. And never solely that, I assumed it will simply choose it up after which like, wipe after which transfer away and put it again down. No, it took it to a basket close by, like a laundry basket nearly, And positioned it in there.
So principally
Devindra: we're nearly there. We're nearly there to actual robotic helpers.
Cherlynn: So shut. This factor could be very shut. Who knew Roborock of all firms would do it. I used to be like,
Devindra: it's a, it's actually fascinating to observe as a result of Roborock, I believe, yeah, it's a [00:06:00] Chinese language firm and these people, like, particularly after they're doing robotic stuff, like they're simply barreling ahead as a result of they’ll make investments extra in R& D and stuff.
I would like, I've mentioned this earlier than. I would like one thing that may like unload my dishwasher,
Cherlynn: which is the
Devindra: course of that I believe like
Cherlynn: my dishwashing unloading remedy.
Devindra: You understand load it up clear the kitchen similar to an actual rosy robotic scenario. That's what I want
Cherlynn: I imply the opposite robotic vacuum that you simply're speaking about that may climb upstairs.
I consider is the dreamy And yeah, it's fascinating to see or I used to be like why why would we’d like a robotic vacuum that may climb upstairs? However I assume there are precise practical makes use of for the x50 robotic I don't know, man. 1, 700 only for it to, like, climb.
Devindra: I believe this can be a unhealthy thought. This can be a unhealthy thought, as a result of Usually, you need your robotic to be on one flooring.
Yeah! After you have stairs within the equation, then, like, it might fall. There may very well be all types of points. To me, that's not tremendous helpful. I've been room constructing for some time, and solely not too long ago with two flooring. You choose it up, and you progress it to a different flooring when you must. Should you're tremendous [00:07:00] bougie, you may have multiple Roomba.
You’ve a Roomba port per flooring. Or you may have
Cherlynn: a budget one on the ground that doesn't matter as a lot because the costly one within the place that issues. They usually're
Devindra: low cost Roombas. You could possibly get a refurb Roomba for like 200, 300 bucks.
Cherlynn: Yeah.
Devindra: Comparatively, that's comparatively low cost in comparison with how a lot they used to value.
Cherlynn: Effectively, this one, I imply, I assume the, the shtick with this dreamy robotic is that it climbs up like a human. So it's not like kind of propelling itself up in some unusual manner, going up on an incline, getting his rollers. It's like, God, some form of like climbing mechanic. That's like. Bipedal? Is it bipedal? Is it like
Devindra: I’ve to take a better look.
The
Cherlynn: video appears like wild and I'm in such a CES fever dream that like, I’ve forgotten what it appears like. A lot
Devindra: stuff. One other factor I wish to speak about, the TVs look like, it looks like wi-fi TVs are morbid factor proper now. Like LG and Samsung are absolutely doing it. All their flagships have wi-fi packing containers.
They are saying the lag is fairly good for gaming. I must, I must see that to see how a lot it really works. However I do assume that's a very good ache level for lots of [00:08:00] folks. Individuals hate Wires. Transferring behind their TVs. They hate, like, when you're mounting a TV, it’s a must to, like, determine the place all of the wires are going to go.
So there's that that firm Displace, which final yr had the suction TV with the battery, which I believe I known as it vaporware final yr. I don't assume they really shipped any. This yr they're again. They’ve a soundbar. They are saying they're going to really ship stuff. I don't consider it. However, they're again.
They're right here.
Cherlynn: Is one yr sufficient time to see if the TV that can stick itself to your wall has fallen off but? You understand what I imply? Like, is it time to name it secure if it hasn't fallen off in a yr? Or ought to we give it one other yr? I don't know.
Devindra: It's my complete factor about trusting devices and trusting units, I cannot belief it.
Multi thousand greenback machine that’s simply hanging by my wall by suction cup.
Cherlynn: It's like one factor if it falls off and hurts itself, it's one other if it like takes down my wall with it, proper? Like, and my mattress and my glass desk or one thing. So yeah, there's a variety of stuff to be involved about, I believe.
Devindra: Boy AIPC remains to be a working theme this yr.
AMD was actually massive on an entire bunch of [00:09:00] new chips. They introduced the Ryzen AI Max chip, which they are saying goes to be in Halo merchandise, Halo Copilot Plus PCs. It's purported to be actually highly effective. It has extra graphics than their different ones. Additionally they say it does higher rendering, like 3D rendering, higher than Intel's chips.
As a result of AMD's graphics are usually higher. They’ve like in-built Radeon cores. So, , they're form of killing it. Intel was similar to, hey We now have AI chips too. They're coming to gaming desktops. They're coming to different issues.
Speaker 3: Yeah,
Devindra: they’ve core PC, core AI laptop computer chips that will likely be coming to gaming laptops as properly.
So, that's a factor. You understand, the advantage of CES is that you could see folks and discuss to folks. So, I had a very good chat with Pavan Davaluri, who’s like the top of Home windows and Floor units from Microsoft. That was an off the report chat, however I can say it was good to have. That dialog to see what they're excited about AI PCs.
Hopefully we'll have him on for one more part of the gadget podcast, [00:10:00] however I assume like CS is going on. Like when information is going on, these firms are taking it significantly. We're speaking to excessive degree folks. So it seems like a CS of your, I'd say, regardless of being so cursed early on,
Speaker 3: I assume,
Devindra: yeah, like stuff, it feels reputable and actual in a manner that hasn't for the previous couple of years.
However I imply, for
Cherlynn: you, possibly two a part of it’s the return to the bodily. Sure. Proper, as a result of it's been some time. And I believe that my common sense is that curiosity in CES might need waned. I believe this yr too , we've, we've had completely different observations about exhibits from the current years and this yr feels much more like it’s one thing you would, it's like commoditizing issues for the sake of commoditizing issues slightly bit and greater than ever really.
And it's very very like the Radio Shack present slightly bit. However , I’d say, I don't wish to give away what we're engaged on. So I’d say like, we're, Come to Engadget. com come to our social media channels the place we've acquired a variety of movies going up We've really are bringing again our youtube channel for slightly bit And the dwell weblog we I’m in [00:11:00] dwell weblog hell every single day for slightly bit however it’s a enjoyable time as a result of dwell blogs permit me to be a bit extra I believe private with our viewers Which is enjoyable like this podcast However I do wish to shout out wish to your level like amd and intel Each have made their bulletins as of the time.
We're recording this however We nonetheless don't know technically what NVIDIA goes to announce. And Nvidia has one of many, I wanna say probably the most hyped keynotes or speeches, this CES mm-hmm . What are you considering that they'll do for CES?
Devindra: I imply, for the keynote, they usually hype up their AI tasks or robotics tasks.
And actually, issues that we don't usually report information on as a result of it's form of pie within the sky stuff that can solely exist for a automotive producers or one thing. They don't actually contact shoppers. We’ll finally hear, almost certainly, in regards to the new GeForce RTX GPUs. Perhaps not tonight, however I’ve a very good sense like someday this week, NVIDIA will make that announcement.
And that’s the factor individuals are actually ready to see. And I believe AMD sensed {that a} bit too. They briefly teased some details about the RDNA 4 [00:12:00] GPUs. Yeah, AMD additionally teased their RX 9070 GPUs. And that's fascinating too, simply the title is fascinating. As a result of , AMD's used to observe a totally completely different Radeon naming scheme.
Now they're form of aligning with what NVIDIA's doing. So, this Radeon RX 9070 will likely be corresponding to no matter NVIDIA proclaims as a 5070 video card. Okay. So, it ought to make purchasing slightly simpler. So there's that. The RDNA 4 expertise goes to have AI upscaling, which is a factor we've knocked AMD towards earlier than.
As a result of their constancy impacts a brilliant decision for stuff. However simply couldn't compete with NVIDIA NVIDIA's DLSS, in order that they're gonna have a solution to that. However once more, similar to, transient teases the information publish I wrote is just like the naked minimal we will even write as a result of they didn't have a lot data.
They're similar to, yeah, we could have new video playing cards, we could have new
Cherlynn: graphics. Is it claiming a spot,
Devindra: proper? Like, kinda? Yeah. Mainly. Whereas I believe NVIDIA's gonna come right here and exhibit new {hardware}, new precise issues, so. We will see.
Cherlynn: Yeah.
Devindra: And I wish to do possibly one or two [00:13:00] extra of those episodes, similar to recapping the place we’re Oh, all through the present?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we’re utilizing the DJI mic 2, or mic mini, so we will like sit down and report wherever. Yep. We're at our breakfast nook proper now. In
Cherlynn: the resort.
Devindra: Yeah. And possibly you'll hear extra ambient noise than regular, but it surely, this can be a actually good method to have conversations. Yeah, it's quick. We hope to have some interviews from people up quickly too.
With different
Cherlynn: members of the group. You'll hear extra than simply the 2 of us. I believe, I promise you all of them sound superb and beautiful. I'm attempting to think about like, whether or not there's anything that's of observe within the information that we've seen to this point, as a result of to your level, proper, CES is in full swing, actually. And we've been
Devindra: like, headstabbed.
Identical to, a lot stuff. Sherilyn's been managing a lot of the like, sensible stuff and the scheduling stuff. Yeah, I've had like a pile of embargoes. All of us, like, all of the group
Cherlynn: has had piles of embargoes, which is like, it’s, like, to your level, form of a return to type in that sense, but in addition seems like we've been protecting this endlessly each CES.
We noticed a number of I don't know. Numerous AI that [00:14:00] doesn't actually have to be AI. We noticed a variety of pet tech. We noticed a variety of good dwelling. Man, ship us your ideas, actually, as far as we’re chugging alongside the present. Podcast at Engadget. com could be an excellent place to drop them. Oh my gosh LG's acquired all these bizarre merchandise that I believe we talked about even forward of coming to CES.
The place like, sure it's slapdick 2070 inch display on a microwave, however then not too long ago we discovered what, it was a projector that appears like a stand fan or one thing? That's really
Devindra: form of cool. Yeah, we gotta get some video of that stuff.
Cherlynn: Yeah, so a lot, a lot to look out
Devindra: for. Of the tales we've produced, I do wish to shout out the stuff Sam and I did round Dell's rebranding.
I wrote about Dell rebranding all of its PCs to sound extra like Apple, so take a look at that publish. However Sam had a very good rant known as Dell killing the XPS title is an unforced error. And that complete story is wild as a result of Dell's principally obliterating all of its model names. They're simply going to be Dell, Dell Professional and Dell Professional Max.
And to each of us, that sounds very Apple y. Wait, can I insert
Cherlynn: myself slightly bit right here? As a result of it's not simply Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. [00:15:00] After I learn each of your posts, it’s the sub tiers that is not sensible. Like in the event that they simplified it actually, it will simply be Dell, Dell Professional, Dell Professional Max. Effective. However no, it will be Dell, Dell Professional, after which beneath every, there is likely to be the premium label and the plus label.
So it may very well be the Dell Professional Plus. Yep. However versus the Dell non professional premium. So the Dell premium remains to be worse than the Dell Professional Plus?
Devindra: Sure.
Cherlynn: My goodness. What? And then you definately throw within the numbers. There's numbers. They're coming again. Among the numbers
Devindra: are coming again. The desktops are form of ridiculous as a result of on the occasion Sam and I have been at, they confirmed off The Dell Professional Max Micro and the Dell Professional Max Mini, which you may have the identical title inside your title.
You’re conflicting what this machine really is, and I discover that to be utterly ridiculous. So, take a look at Sam and my rant about that factor. I additionally did a video up on YouTube, and for as soon as, the YouTube commentators appear to be on our aspect. Sure, they're proper.
Cherlynn: They’re proper. We’re proper, and Dell [00:16:00] is just not proper.
And so I’m glad you pointed it out. It appeared like lots of people resonated with that story on our aspect as properly. It's an entire
Devindra: factor. And I’ll say I don't miss just like the, I don't miss a variety of the manufacturers like Inspiron and no matter, but it surely's extra like XPS. Eliminating XPS looks like a mistake. Falling within the footsteps of Apple looks like a very weak transfer.
Cherlynn: Of all of the issues to do as a result of look, I coated HP's pivot to 1 model as properly when that occurred final yr. And HP had a very good sense to only, after they say simplify, they imply. Simplify to their very own model. In order that they did Omnibook, proper? Which isn’t Professional Max. Effective. It's their very own title. For Dell to inform you that they're not copying Apple, and I'm not saying they did say that to you, however like, they kind of steered that these are trade phrases.
They did say that
Speaker 3: to me. However
Cherlynn: like, if HP can accomplish that with out invoking the phrases Professional and Max, why can't you, Dell?
Devindra: That's principally what I requested Michael Dell, the CEO of Dell, at this occasion the place Dell. com. He was there to announce this complete factor and so they have been asking [00:17:00] questions from the viewers. So yeah, I shot my hand up and I used to be like, my direct query to him was, what does Dell have to realize by copying Apple?
And Michael Dell didn’t look too happy.
Cherlynn: In fact he did. He
Devindra: I imply for him too, it's like, oh, now my names are all Dell, Dell, Dell. So it's like higher for him and his ego. Yeah, yeah, his
Cherlynn: title, yeah, yeah. And I
Devindra: really feel like that could be a part of it, however I've talked to lots of people at Dell, like Different folks, folks working inside the PC design stuff and no one was enthusiastic about this transformation.
In fact
Speaker 3: not, why? As a result of
Devindra: their infants are all gone. Just like the individuals who work on Inspiron and Precision and all the things, the manufacturers they commit their lives to are gone. And now they must dwell with these new manufacturers and I don't know if individuals are going to be as excited. So anyway, that's going to be an extended ongoing story.
Take a look at our protection in all of its many types. I believe that's going to be one of many massive takeaways from the CS. Del kind of, simply taking pictures itself within the foot right here. And no one appears to love it besides Del, besides Michael Del.
Cherlynn: Yeah. I wish to shortly shout out that the Samsung press convention simply wrapped and we realized two issues of observe.
One, that the [00:18:00] Bali rolling robotic goes to really retail this yr, they are saying. However they did say that final yr too. After which we don't know a value but. We simply comprehend it's going to be the primary half of the yr is what they mentioned on stage. After which the second factor is that they introduced the dates of Galaxy Unpacked.
It can occur? January twenty second. So thanks quite a bit, Samsung, as a result of proper after CES, a few of us will likely be heading straight into preparation for Samsung Galaxy S8. Let
Devindra: Cherlynn take a break. That's the message of this yr. By no means,
Cherlynn: by no means taking place. Alright, we
Devindra: will, we'll be again with extra updates about CES. Drop us an e-mail, people, podcastinggadget.
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Cherlynn: music suggestions! Oh
Devindra: yeah, possibly we must always simply open up a playlist and have folks add songs to it. Anyway, we're out people, thanks.
Cherlynn: Bye!
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